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Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by Rob » Thu May 10, 2012 12:40 am

Ohhh dear

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by TWTY-Admin » Tue May 08, 2012 4:54 pm

Hilariously, another person has entered the fray on Douglas' video claiming that not only was Paul not real, Paul and Apollonius were both based on Flavius Josephus, the Jewish-Roman Historian who wrote Antiquities of the Jews and The Wars of the Jews (a book about what happened at the fall of Jerusalem).

Furthermore, this other chap has gone on to state that 'Jesus' Mary, Simon Peter, and nearly everyone else in the NT weren't real either.

This only goes to show how such ridiculousness as Douglas' can lead people down such stupid paths, it boggles the mind.

Gotta love it actually. It's actually quite funny :)

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by Rob » Tue May 08, 2012 2:13 pm

It's just a shame. Accusations of misleading people fall on Paul, yet it seems he is doing exactly what he is accusing Paul of doing.

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by TWTY-Admin » Sat May 05, 2012 8:27 pm

He's still posting his lies about Paul and Apollonius on the YouTube video - yet he hasn't returned here to provide evidence of what he's said?

"Busy" indeed - busy avoiding being shown to be an idiot

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by Rob » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:45 pm

In my opinion from looking at what he says and what you say - I would agree.

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by TWTY-Admin » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:14 pm

He's not been back since March 22nd. I doubt he will return.


Be assured though people - I'm right on this one. Douglas is dead, dead wrong

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by Rob » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:04 pm

dum de doo de dum...

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by TWTY-Admin » Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:54 pm

I've been re-reading the Life of Apollonius, and have yet to find anything wrong with what I have stated regarding Paul and Apollonius in the first post in this topic.

It therefore boils down to those who say that Apollonius is Paul/Paul is Apollonius to actually prove it. It's not up to us to disprove it

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by Rob » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:54 pm

Do de dooo :)

Well I hope if anyone is wrong it can be proven and admitted either way - how else are we ever going to learn.

And the silence can continue now.

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by TWTY-Admin » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:39 pm

I wouldn't count on it. Douglas is hardly the one to admit that he was incorrect in what he said regarding Apollonius.

I could be wrong on that front, but the excuse that he's "busy" with his "ministry" is what he's probably going to appeal to.

Edit: Ironically, I couldn't get on http://www.lasttrumpet.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - not that I'm complaining. The longer it's offline, the better :)

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by Rob » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:52 am

Thread seems to be unfortunately slowing... I thought there might actually be a discussion here.

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by TWTY-Admin » Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:02 pm

Hi Will, answered these in a new thread Click to go

Keeping this thread just for Paul and Apollonius :)

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by willbrinsonferguson » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:23 pm

Steve,

first off I will say that TWTY-Admin has put a lot of time and effort into his study of the Book of Galatians and has done a great job at pointing out differences within this Book as well as some of the other NT books. This being said I must attest that the Book of Galatians along with the Book of Ephesians is in the PeshittA. Those of the Church of the East lay claim that the Eastern Assembly was handed the Text of the Peshitta personally by the Apostles themselves.

I beleive that Polycarp [2] was a disciple of YaHu-Khawnawn the Presbyter, who was a disciple of YaHu-Khawnawn the/an Apostle. This would mean that Polycarp learned from a man that learned from one of the original Apostles himself. Other lay claim that Polycarp studied dirrectly under the Apostle YaHu-Khawnawn. Either way Polycarp is attributed with having quoted Galatians 3 times (see chart below). If these are genuine quotes this should help give credence to the authoritativeness of the Book of Galatians in my opinion, as I do not see Polycarp as one whom would have been taught by one not in the KNOW of Canonical Books.

I know that this may be stretching the definition of what is considered a quote, but the second one below TWTY-Admin pointed out this was indeed a strange saying [1], yet Polycarp thought it worth repeating. Ego I [3].

Polycarp 3:3/Galatians 4:26
... -- "which is a mother of us all", ...

Polycarp 5:1/Galatians 6:7

... "God is not mocked", ...

Polycarp 12:3/Galatians 1:1
...and in "his Father who raised him from the dead".
( http://www.ntcanon.org/Polycarp.shtml"

Also on the following web-link has one of Polycarp' letters in which references to Galatians is eluded to/quoted more than once:
http://www.cogwriter.com/polycarpletter.htm

Kafe remarked that Shawul' writing were hard to understand (2 Kafe [Peter] 3:16), wherefore I refer any and all to the following link for a verse by verse detailed analysis on the Book of Galatians that will help one understand that this Book is not anti-Torah as many have claim, but actually Pro Torah through and through:
http://nazarenespace.com/forum/topics/l ... e=activity

Also at the following can be found a translation of Galatians with foot-notes explaining the Pro-Torah view of the Book of Galatians:
http://torahtreasuretrove.com/shop/page/58?shop_param=

Last but not least, with out a map showing the travels of Shawul and the areas claimed in the Great Galatians Debate it is hard to follow Shwalchy' claims as to whether or not Shawul came close to the Area claim to be Galatia. On this note I would like to ask Shwalchy to please post a Map showing the areas with lines tracing out the journeys of Shawul so that we may see just how far never had a chance in coming into contact with the people of Galatia is.

Foot-Note:
[1] see page 33 and page 48 of TWTY-Admin Great Galatians Debate.
[2] For a detailed analysis of Polycarp' life see: http://www.st-philip.net/files/Fitzgera ... smyrna.pdf
[3] I will hold to the Texts contained within the PheshittA (which contains the Book of Galatians) as well as the Books that are so-called Western-Five!

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by StevePaige » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:03 pm

Stephen,

I believe that, being people, we have the right to be called out when we make false accusations. I hope that you get my meaning here... just like we have the right to be wrong, we have the right to be held accountable. Douglas was and you did.

Will,

And its not that I don't agree with the writings of the Apostles. In their writings I see clear direction toward Yahoshua and we can see where and to whom he was/is pointing.

Stephen,

I would like to thank you for this site. It was because of Craig Winn's site that I made it over here. I know that there are differences between you two, but I have found his site interesting and helpful in some areas.

Well back to work

Steve

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by Rob » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:41 am

I will look further into the Great Galatians Debate and if I am convinced that it is a fraud I will discontinue the use thereof.
If you could do that Will and bring us your thoughts and findings on this forum (pro/against or whatever), I know Stephen and myself would be very thankful. Stephen put a load of time into his dissection of Galatians in that document and I think other than myself (I think I might have even asked the question in the first place) and some close friends, no one has tried to refute or confirm anything in it. It is a long and technical document so maybe that's where people are scared away, understandably.

Anyway yes, if you do that would be awesome :)

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by willbrinsonferguson » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:44 am

Steve, I know that I used Galatians to set the stage, but it was Kafe' [Peter'] writing that I was using as the back-bone of my rebuttal.

I can understand you not holding Galatians as authentic, whereby dismissing the verses I used to set up the FACT that none of the other Apostles condemned Shawul (Powlos) for teaching heresies, I even some what agree with your reasoning for not wanting to follow the Apostles through their writings. But if Kafe can not be held as an accurate witness testifying of Shawul then why should we believe him or anyone else for that matter as to their testimony about Y'hoshuah being The Anointed One? The New Testament is a witness to the Old Testament' Anointed One having come in the flesh, whereby it should not be thrown out and counted unworthy of being Scripture. Yes it points to the Old Testament for sure, but that is it' purpose, and that purpose is an important part of Y'hoshuah' News - that the Kingdom of YaHuWaH is at hand [not some where far off that no one can not yet obtain] for those who are willing to worship in truth and spirit. If you throw out the New Testament because men wrote it then what is to keep you from throwing out the Old Testament for the same rerasoning and just try and worship by your own understanding? The Scriptures authors, of both Old and New, were inspired by YaHuWaH so that we would have a guide to help us understand His Kingdom and His will. If we start throwing a Scripture here and there away because they were not written in stone by the finger of YaHuWaH Himself then we will come to find our children finishing off what we have started. Then come the Judgement Day will be held accountable for their lack of spirituality as well as all future generations that we had a hand in removing the Scriptures before. If a book is a fake that is one thing, but for the ones that are authentic we should not dis them.

All that being said none of the New Testament authors dissed Shawul for teaching heresies. And Kafe defended Shawul as a true Apostle.

I will look further into the Great Galatians Debate and if I am convinced that it is a fraud I will discontinue the use thereof.

Now as for Douglas Nicholson, I emplore you to stop making unfounded railing accusations of with you look foolish for doing and either make you points about Shawul (a.k.a. - Powlos) or be silent, for by either way you will at least seem as being wise by doing so. But if you can not and are still lead by the spirit to belittle an honest man then I rebuke you and leave you to Sawtawn to be taught a lesson. REPENT or be judged by your Maker, awane!!!

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by TWTY-Admin » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:20 pm

Shalom, my name is Pastor Douglas Nicholson. I am the author of the YT video called “PAUL THE FALSE APOSTLE "THE BIG TEST" from God” I am an expert on the false apostle Paul.
Calling yourself an "expert" is quite funny here. You're no expert on anything, which everyone who reads your post and watches your YT vids are able to see.
I am going to bring TWTY-Admin arguments to a quick close here.
First of all, it's either "Stephen" or "TWTY-Admin" - not "Mr" anything.
TWTY-Admin is puffed up like the false apostle Paul. TWTY-Admin who is pro Pauline and is going to follow Paul into hell if TWTY-Admin does not repent of his ways. Because of TWTY-Admin is taking a pro Paul position and he thinks he can challenge things that I had brought up on my YT study about Paul. http://youtu.be/9npnLdwdjUU. TWTY-Admin has a lot of talking points and I will address them as I can. For now I will just deal with point one, what is a false prophet.
As Rob foretold above, your first accusation against me for pointing out your flaws is to attack me for being "pro-Paul", when I'm not. I'm pro telling the truth and using facts and evidence to prove what I say, regardless of whom it's about.

As I never said a single word in defence of Paul or supposed Pauline doctrine, you have essentially become a 'shatan' - a false accuser.
What is a false prophet? I go into great detail at the start of my YT video and explain this clearly and cite Bible Scripture.
You don't go into "great detail" now, do you? A 10 min long video isn't "great" nor "detailed". You are bigging yourself up with a delusion of grandeur, and yet you have the audacity to refer to me as "puffed up"? How hypocritical of you.
The charges brought against Paul was for “teaching away from” keeping of the commandments of God and that’s what makes Paul a false prophet. Deut 13:1-10. This is a capital crime and punishment is by death.
Let's have an actual look at your Scripture quote here, shall we?

Deuteronomy 13:1-10 (ESV): If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For Yahuweh your God is testing you, to know whether you love Yahuweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after Yahuweh your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against Yahuweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which Yahuweh your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst. If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from Yahuweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

As the Scripture makes absolutely clear, the person being stoned to death is a "prophet" or "dreamer of dreams" who entices the people saying "Let us go after other gods". Where does Paul teach anyone to go after other gods, or "some of the gods of the peoples who are around you"? There is nothing here in Deuteronomy 13 that says a false prophet is someone who teaches the people to not keep the commandments of Yahuweh - they are those who teach people to go and serve other gods other than Yahuweh, which Paul never does.

It appears that you're putting words into Gods mouth, Douglas. I suggest you stop.
MTWTY-Admin is trying to mislead you big time against me and I can prove this. Once you see this fact you will know the rest of TWTY-Admin points are crappy and divisive as well.
Again with the false accusations. I'm not misleading anyone, because I actually point people to the source of my answers so they can read them for themselves.

You have essentially completely ignored the actual point of the topic (showing that Apollonius and Paul aren't the same person), and instead have resorted to nothing but personal attacks on me and talking about other things that aren't pertinent as to whether Apollonius and Paul are the same person or not.

Granted, I am warning people against listening to you, but that's not misleading them - that's helping them be cautious against a false teacher who sprouts nothing but lies and deceit, which anyone who watches your videos or reads your writings can see.
There are a couple of categories of a false prophets found in Torah. A false prophet can be one who’s a prediction doesn’t come true but this not what Paul is being charged with?
You actually haven't proved that a false prophet isn't just someone who makes false prophecies and seduces people to follow the gods of the people surrounding Israel. You need to do that first of all.
Paul is being charge with teaching people away from keeping the commandments of God.
Which isn't in the category of "false prophet". The charge against Paul is false anyway.
Acts 21:21 & Acts 21:28 A passage used from Torah for those who predictions don’t come true is from Deuteronomy 18:22" when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (This is not a capital crime; you are just not to respect “fear” the prophet of false predictions)
Deuteronomy 13 begs to differ.
So TWTY-Admin now been proven wrong on his first point and sets the tone for his other bogus points.
All that's been proven is that you appear to have an inability to read. Also if my point #1 is wrong (which it isn't), you have yet to even bother to answer the other 13 points I have noted down above, so it's presumptuous for you to dismiss them just because you think I don't know what Scripture says regarding false prophets.
Now proving Paul the false prophet for “teaching away from Torah” which is a capital crime of which Paul is being charged with.
Here we read where James, the brother of our Lord is asking Paul about Paul’s false teachings. James already knows the answers to his question and wants to see if Paul will deny it in any fashion.
Acts 21:21 "but they have been informed about you (Paul) that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses (the law), saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs."

Paul is so busted for teaching away from the commandments of God and Paul never denied it.
As I pointed out in the YouTube comments, Stephen in Acts 6-7 was also accused of doing the same thing that Paul was: “This man never ceases to speak words against this holy place and the Torah, for we have heard him say that this Yahushua of Nazareth shall destroy this place and will change the customs that Moses delivered to us.” He never denies these charges either, yet Luke still calls those who state this "false witnesses", because that's what they were - false witnesses.

It always puzzles me why the charge is that Paul and Stephen teach against the "customs" handed down to the Jews. Why is that, do you think? Sounds to me that Paul and Stephen were teaching against the Oral Torah, which according to Judaism was handed down to them via word of mouth from Moses - his "customs" - not, however, his "laws" or "teachings" or "the commandments of God" - it's just "Moses' customs".

I guess it's not surprising that Paul states the following: But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, trusting and relying on everything laid down by the Torah and written in the Prophets (Acts 24:14) Notice he doesn't say "the custom of Moses" or "the customs"? That's because the "custom" of Moses is different to the Torah/the Torah of Moses (Acts 15:5).
Paul is also busted in the Temple by eye and ear witnesses, Jews from Asia who heard Paul teach there.
Acts 21:27 Now when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews from Asia, seeing him (Paul) in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him (Paul), Act 21:28crying out, "Men of Israel, help! This is the man (Paul) who teaches all men everywhere against the people(the Jews), the law(Torah), and this place; and furthermore he also brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place."
Act 21:29(For they had previously seen Trophimus (the gentile) the Ephesian with him in the city, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
They also make this accusation again in Acts 24:1-9: And after five days the high priest Ananias came down with some elders and a spokesman, one Tertullus. They laid before the governor their case against Paul. And when he had been summoned, Tertullus began to accuse him, saying: “Since through you we enjoy much peace, and since by your foresight, most excellent Felix, reforms are being made for this nation, in every way and everywhere we accept this with all gratitude. But, to detain you no further, I beg you in your kindness to hear us briefly. For we have found this man a plague, one who stirs up riots among all the Jews throughout the world and is a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes. He even tried to profane the temple, but we seized him. By examining him yourself you will be able to find out from him about everything of which we accuse him.” The Jews also joined in the charge, affirming that all these things were so.

Yet, Paul had done nothing of the things that Tertullus here was accusing him of, and which the rest of the Jews joined in affirming. It's why Paul states this following these false accusations: And when the governor had nodded to him to speak, Paul replied: “Knowing that for many years you have been a judge over this nation, I cheerfully make my defense. You can verify that it is not more than twelve days since I went up to worship in Jerusalem, and they did not find me disputing with anyone or stirring up a crowd, either in the temple or in the synagogues or in the city. Neither can they prove to you what they now bring up against me... Now after several years I came to bring alms to my nation and to present offerings. While I was doing this, they found me purified in the temple, without any crowd or tumult. But some Jews from Asia - they ought to be here before you and to make an accusation, should they have anything against me. Or else let these men themselves say what wrongdoing they found when I stood before the council, other than this one thing that I cried out while standing among them: ‘It is with respect to the resurrection of the dead that I am on trial before you this day.’ ”

They were unable to prove a single thing that they levelled against Paul. Not too dissimilar to what you're doing now, Douglas
You can read where the eye and ear witness are bringing up false prophet charges against Paul. Also you can never bring gentiles into the Temple back then and even in the future, read (Ezekiel 44:9 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart (one has to be Torah observant) or uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter My sanctuary, including any foreigner who is among the children of Israel.) We also can easily infer from Ezekiel 44:9 that the law has not been done away with as Paul falsely teaches in (Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.)
Actually, the Greek of Romans 10:4 is to be translated: For Messiah is an ordinance's aim, goal and purpose on behalf of righteousness to everyone who trusts and relies in the trustworthy. As there is no definite article before the noun νομος in the Greek text, it can not mean "the" law.

I asked you in the YT comments whether you could speak or read Greek or not. I assume from this that you actually can't read or speak Greek? Let's not also forget that contra to the false accusers, Paul hadn't taken a Greek into the Temple. Another incorrect charge levelled against Paul.
So we have eye and ear witnesses against Paul and also Paul’s writings that testifying against Paul as being a false prophet who teaches away from keeping the commandments of God. This is capital crime.
There were no eye or ear witnesses to these things, and Paul's writings don't teach against the Torah. You also have yet to show that a false prophet is one who teaches against keeping the commandments of God.
TWTY-Admin is trying to mislead you by lying about what charges are brought up against Paul the false apostle of Rev 2:2. The punishment for lying under oath TWTY-Admin is very serious one and all Torah observant people know this.
It's quite obvious that I'm not trying to mislead anyone. And thanks for the warning - I suggest that you take heed on your own words.

Secondly, Revelation 2:2 doesn't mention Paul by name, and he certainly isn't one of the 'false delegates' being referred to by Yahushua. I guess you don't actually know what the Greek word αποστολος means, do you? If you did, you wouldn't be incorrectly transliterating it as 'apostle'.
Paul is a Pharisee, the Lord commands us to reject all teachings of all the Pharisees. Are you doing this?
As I noted in the YT comments, Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea were both Pharisees too. Plus Luke also records this in Acts 15:5: But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees... Whilst it is true that the Messiah commanded the disciples to 'beware' of the Teachings of the Pharisees (and Sadducees), he says nothing about the Pharisees as individual people. This is proven by the fact that Nicodemus, Joseph of Arimathea, Paul, and several others were still 'Pharisees' even after coming to trust in Yahushua.

Not neglecting the fact that Paul didn't promote any of the false teachings of the Pharisees.
So for point one I have proven that TWTY-Admin is trying to mislead people.
You haven't proven anything, Douglas, other than the fact that you are incapable of reading things thoroughly.

You claim to be a 'Bible Researcher', yet why are you incapable of understanding anything you read?

Bar all this, I was actually wanting you to answer the points regarding your supposed Paul-Apollonius connection. Yet here, you seem to want to make us believe that Paul was not only Apollonius, but a Pharisee as well.

But you can't have it this way. Paul was either a Pharisee, or he was Apollonius (and Apollonius never stepped one foot inside Israel). You contradict yourself in your own video.

Pick one, and stick with it.

Also, I'd answer points 5-14 before you continue, as well as those of Acharya S (which you quote verbatum on your website). That is what you were really supposed to answer. The stipulations for a false prophet deserve their own thread. This thread should just be for Paul and Apollonius, hence its title.

@StevePaige: agreed on the salvation bit. However, that doesn't give people like Douglas here the right to make false accusations against someone, no matter who it is (I know you weren't saying this in the slightest - I just want to make it very clear for everyone else :))

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by StevePaige » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:22 pm

I don't know if using Galatians as proof material would be your best course of rebuttal. While I am definitely not a biblical scholar, I do take the 'new' testament with a grain of sand. As the owner of this site has pointed out, Galatians doesn't even measure up to Ephesians scholarly test and it isn't considered an epistle from Paul.

That being said I do take the view that the only scriptures that Yehushua quoted were from the Torah, Prophets & Writings (properly translated) and are the only ones we need. I might throw Revelation in with that in that I believe that it is inspired also.

When I look at the Pauline letters, there are passages that seem as he is condemning the Torah while there are others that seem to be affirming. When looking at the history of the 'new' testament I can see many issues.

Salvation will never be from Paul nor any of the Apostles, so follow Yahuweh and Yahushua will provide the means to enter into eternity with the Father.

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by willbrinsonferguson » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:17 pm

Talk about one whom speaks FASLELY, A.K.A. - Pastor Douglas Nicholson!!!

Below in brief I state why the Apostle Shawul [Powlos] is a true Apostle and Douglas Nicholson is in actuality one of many of Sawtawn' FALSE TEACHER?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

When Shawul [Powlos] was first saved, he learned directly from the Adon Y'hoshuah Himself.

{Galatians1:1}
Shawul, an Apostle, not from men nor through man, but through Y'hoshuah The Anointed One
and Eloheem the Father who raised Him from the dead.


Later Shawul goes to see Shimeon Kafe [Simon Peter] for 15 days to verify what he has learned.
{Galatians1:18}
Then after three years I went up to Yerushalayim [Jerusalem] to inquire of Kafe, and remained with him fifteen days.

Shawul makes claim that the 'same One' who was commissioning Kafe to the Yehudeem [a.k.a.-Jews],
was commissioning him to the gentiles.

{Galatians 2: 7-8}
For He that was mighty in Kafe in the apostleship over the circumcision, the same was mighty in me among the gentiles

And at that time Shawul receives approval from Yahakobe [James], Kafe [Peter], and Yahu-Khawnawn [John].
{Galatians 2:9}
and therefore when Yahakobe, Kafe, and Yahu-Khawnawn, which seemed to be pillars,
perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the righthands,
and agreed with us that we should preach among the heathen, and they among the Yehudeem:


So far it is only Shawul claiming that the other Apostles back him as a True Apostle, yet here now we see that Kafe [Peter] verifies Shawul' teachings.
{2 Kafe [2 Peter] 3:15}
and consider that the longsuffering of our Adon is salvation; as also our beloved brother Shawul,
according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,


And he (Kafe) says that those who distort what Shawul has said, do so to their own destruction.
{2 Kafe [Peter] 3:16}
yea, almost in every epistle, speaking of such things: among which are many things hard to be understood:
which they that are unlearned and unstable pervert, as they do other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.


Kafe, Yahakobe, and Yahu-Khawnawn having been with Y'hoshuah on earth were in agreement with what Shawul preached. Shawul learned directly from Y'hoshuah The Anointed One. He verifies what he has learned with Kafe, Yahakobe, and Yahu-Khawnawn. Kafe, Yahakobe, and Yahu-Khawnawn were in agreement with what Shawul proclaimed.
{Galatians 1:8-9}
But even if we, or a Messenger [Malawk/Angel] from Shawmah [Heaven], preach any other gospel [good news] to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

According to the Epistles above we have but two choices, believe either the testimony of Kafe, Yahakobe, and Yahu-Khawnawn to be of The Truth - or believe Douglas Nicholson (a preacher ACTUALLY ORDAINED BY MEN, not by Y'hoshuah Himself as Shawul was).

If we throw out Shawul as a False Prophet then we have to throw out Kafe whom said he was a true Apostle. Then the snow ball effect kicks in and we have to disreguard all the other Aposltes that backed Kafe as ones proclaiming false teachers to be True Apostles.

Now I am not saying that Douglas Nicholson willfully honors Sawtawn by preaching against Shawul as an Apostle, but at the least I am saying here is that apparently Douglas Nicholson is ignorantly misunderstanding what Shawul had actually taught within his writings whereby as Kafe put it in his writings {2 Kafe [Peter] 3:16} they that are unlearned and unstable pervert, ... ... ..., unto their own destruction.


And now for the sake of further edification I tell all The Truth - Shawul taught TORAH!!! Unlearned men misunderstanding his writings do either one of two things - they either proclaim a different gospel other than what The True Apostles taught or they proclaim that Shawul was not a True Apostle and throw out half of the Epistles proclaiming Y'hoshuah as The Anointed One of The Torah. Yet either way they are mistaken as Shawul not only clearly taught TORAH, but he proclaimed that Y'hoshuah upheld Torah observance as well.

Re: Paul and Apollonius - Another ridiculous myth being prom

Post by Rob » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:54 am

Can I just add for the record I predicted pretty much the first paragraph above
It's also amazing how people who oppose this view are instantly cast and attacked as pro-paul.


You made my evening :D

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